Waterhall - Coronavirus - warning to any other scaremongering trolls

[jessiejames]

So I have not been panic buying but being a responsible citizen but when I get to Sainsbery's on Saturday I am going to find the shelves empty? Well I hope you panic buyers are feeling proud of your full pantries.

Panic buyers are just *****.
Problem is I put some blame also on the supermarket, me and wife working from 6 am to 6 pm, when we get to the shops the shelf s are empty. Stores should spread out the stock throughout the day. Glad to see that Tesco are letting NHS workers in on Sundays early in the morning. I can and will make do with what odds and sods I can purchase when I can, even use the shower when out of out of lol roll as long as NHS and elderly get what they need.

 

[The_Viper]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/white-house-quarantine-text/

It's all bullshit.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Rumour is a full 2 week lock down from Friday

If they are going to impose a full lock down - 2 weeks will not be enough.

 

[Guinness Boy]

If they are going to impose a full lock down - 2 weeks will not be enough.

FFS can't you read?

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

If Health systems fail death rates climb towards 20%, Black /death killed 30%. Normal flu kills 600 in a winter, the exceptional winter was 13,000, Italy is on track to pass that total in about a month. Its Fatality rate is 8.3% and climbing.

On average, in the last 5 years, flu has killed
17000 in just England. In 2014/15 more than 28000 died from flu.

 

[Machiavelli]

Are you really sure flu only kills 600 a year?

The average is 8000 a year, according to the Chief Medical Officer

 

[B-right-on]

If Health systems fail death rates climb towards 20%, Black /death killed 30%. Normal flu kills 600 in a winter, the exceptional winter was 13,000, Italy is on track to pass that total in about a month. Its Fatality rate is 8.3% and climbing.

600?? Absolutely bollocks. The UK has had 50,000 deaths from flu in 2017 /18
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....level-40-years-experts-blame-ineffective/amp/

People like you are the ones creating this hysteria.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

On average, in the last 5 years, flu has killed
17000 in just England. In 2014/15 more than 28000 died from flu.

As has already been pointed out - comparisons with the flu are irrelevant - up to 500,000 people die from the flu every year.

This pandemic is on a different level - like the Spanish flu in 1918/1920 that killed between 50million and 100million people globally - that is the potential impact.

Now - should 500,000 be dying every year from flu - absolutely not - and if big pharma wasn't controlling the distribution of flu vaccine to make huge profits it would be significantly lower. Similarly 140,000, mostly children under 5, died from measles last year - despite a very effective vaccine that can not only prevent measles, but eliminate it - but the poorest countries in the world were hardest hit because big pharma charge for the vaccine. In contrast, polio has been eliminated - why - because the inventor of the vaccine, Jonas Salk didn't patent it - he gave it away for free.

 

[B-right-on]

Are you really sure flu only kills 600 a year?

He's full of sh1t. Google it. Have asked mods to ban him for scare mongering. Total BS.

 

[B-right-on]

This pandemic is on a different level - like the Spanish flu in 1918/1920 that killed between 50million and 100million people globally - that is the potential impact..

I'm sorry but this is utter b0llocks.The potential impact could be 'only' a few thousand more than normal. It's nasty for sure but to compare it to the Spanish Flu is ridiculous at best. You make it sound like facts when it's pure conjecture and BS.

Look at the latest reports from China. Its nowhere near as bad as you make out. Cut the scare mongering and look at the facts:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/19/asia/coronavirus-covid-19-update-china-intl-hnk/index.html

 

[portslade seagull]

So I have not been panic buying but being a responsible citizen but when I get to Sainsbery's on Saturday I am going to find the shelves empty? Well I hope you panic buyers are feeling proud of your full pantries.

Probably in the queue from hell waiting to get in

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

I'm sorry but this is utter b0llocks.The potential impact could be 'only' a few thousand more than normal.

The CMO in the UK is saying that Britain will be very lucky to get out of this pandemic with 20,000 deaths

It's nasty for sure but to compare it to the Spanish Flu is ridiculous at best. You make it sound like facts when it's pure conjecture and BS.

Look at the latest reports from China. Its nowhere near as bad as you make out. Cut the scare mongering and look at the facts:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/19/asia/coronavirus-covid-19-update-china-intl-hnk/index.html

More people have already died in Italy than in China (assuming the Xi dictatorship haven't doctored the figures - which they probably have) - and the number of deaths in Italy is continuing to climb - 196 on 11 March, 368 on 15 March, 475 on 18 March.

At the moment the epicentre for the pandemic is Europe - when it hits Latin America, Africa and Asia the number of deaths are going to balloon - if infection gets into one of the refugee camps, like Camp Moria on the island of Lesbos where 20,000 refugees are crowded into a camp designed for 3,000, then potentially thousands of people could die in one location - Turkey currently has more than 3.6million people crammed into overcrowded refugee camps - tens of thousands or more could die in these locations.

We are only at the start of this crisis - and in Britain that is demonstrated by the fact that the NHS has ordered hospitals to increase the number of ICU bed by a factor of 10 (using mothballed ventilators and cramming training into extra staff) - and still the NHS doesn't expect this to be enough to prevent doctors having to make decisions about who gets treated and who doesn't - i.e. who gets treated and who dies. The MRC Centre have stated that Britain already has 50,000 Covid 19 cases - and at a 5% death rate that means that 2,500 people are going to die in the next few of weeks - not to mention the fact that Britain currently has about 4,400 ICU beds - not even enough to deal with the serious/critical cases from the current 50,000 infected - nevermind the continued growth of infection over the next couple of months.

This is the most serious global pandemic since 1918 - and decades of austerity cuts and privatisation of national health services (where they existed) are going to massively exacerbate the problem. As for the USA - well they are completely f*cked.

 

[dazzer6666]

As has already been pointed out - comparisons with the flu are irrelevant - up to 500,000 people die from the flu every year.

This pandemic is on a different level - like the Spanish flu in 1918/1920 that killed between 50million and 100million people globally - that is the potential impact.

Now - should 500,000 be dying every year from flu - absolutely not - and if big pharma wasn't controlling the distribution of flu vaccine to make huge profits it would be significantly lower. Similarly 140,000, mostly children under 5, died from measles last year - despite a very effective vaccine that can not only prevent measles, but eliminate it - but the poorest countries in the world were hardest hit because big pharma charge for the vaccine. In contrast, polio has been eliminated - why - because the inventor of the vaccine, Jonas Salk didn't patent it - he gave it away for free.

[MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] and [MENTION=616]Guinness Boy[/MENTION]

Why is more scaremongering BS being allowed on the scaremongering warning thread ?

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

[MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] and [MENTION=616]Guinness Boy[/MENTION]

Why is more scaremongering BS being allowed on the scaremongering warning thread ?

Who is scaremongering - everything that I have outlined is backed up by cold hard evidence.

Point out one thing that I have stated that is factually incorrect.

 

[Bry Nylon]

Who is scaremongering - everything that I have outlined is backed up by cold hard evidence.

a 5% death rate that means that 2,500 people are going to die in the next few of weeks.

People like you, only ever turning up to agitate from the sidelines, are exactly the sort of people nobody needs in a crisis. You bring nothing.

 

[dazzer6666]

Who is scaremongering - everything that I have outlined is backed up by cold hard evidence.

Point out one thing that I have stated that is factually incorrect.

The CMO in the UK is saying that Britain will be very lucky to get out of this pandemic with 20,000 deaths

........when it hits Latin America, Africa and Asia the number of deaths are going to balloon - if infection gets into one of the refugee camps, like Camp Moria on the island of Lesbos where 20,000 refugees are crowded into a camp designed for 3,000, then potentially thousands of people could die in one location - Turkey currently has more than 3.6million people crammed into overcrowded refugee camps - tens of thousands or more could die in these locations.

....and still the NHS doesn't expect this to be enough to prevent doctors having to make decisions about who gets treated and who doesn't - i.e. who gets treated and who dies.

....... nevermind the continued growth of infection over the next couple of months.

......and decades of austerity cuts and privatisation of national health services (where they existed) are going to massively exacerbate the problem.

As for the USA - well they are completely f*cked

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Facts deleted, speculation, political point-scoring and interpretation (and hyperbole) left.

 

[beorhthelm]

Now - should 500,000 be dying every year from flu - absolutely not - and if big pharma wasn't controlling the distribution of flu vaccine to make huge profits it would be significantly lower. Similarly 140,000, mostly children under 5, died from measles last year - despite a very effective vaccine that can not only prevent measles, but eliminate it - but the poorest countries in the world were hardest hit because big pharma charge for the vaccine. In contrast, polio has been eliminated - why - because the inventor of the vaccine, Jonas Salk didn't patent it - he gave it away for free.

measles (and MMR) vaccine have been off patent for decades. flu vaccine is researched and new strain produced every year, distributed to pretty much anyone in the UK who cares to take it, cost under £10.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

The CMO in the UK is saying that Britain will be very lucky to get out of this pandemic with 20,000 deaths

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/coronavirus-uk-20-000-or-fewer-deaths-good-outcome/1769436#[/quote]

........when it hits Latin America, Africa and Asia the number of deaths are going to balloon - if infection gets into one of the refugee camps, like Camp Moria on the island of Lesbos where 20,000 refugees are crowded into a camp designed for 3,000, then potentially thousands of people could die in one location - Turkey currently has more than 3.6million people crammed into overcrowded refugee camps - tens of thousands or more could die in these locations.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/india-poor-testing-rate-masked-coronavirus-cases-200318040314568.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/world/asia/india-coronavirus.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-51913316

And the IMF have refused to provide any financial help to Venezuela as part of the continuing campaign by the West to force Maduro from power - and in Brazil a private healthcare company that runs numerous hospitals in Rio, has been accused of hiding the real number of infections and that their hospitals could be the main epicentre for the spread of the virus in Brazil.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-latam/military-roadblocks-curfews-latin-america-tightens-coronavirus-controls-idUSKBN2133BY

https://euobserver.com/coronavirus/147804

https://sciencenorway.no/disease-refugees-society-and-culture/professor-about-the-coronavirus-i-fear-many-children-will-die-in-refugee-camps/1656886

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/coronavirus-could-cause-carnage-among-world-s-refugees-aid-groups-n1162861

....and still the NHS doesn't expect this to be enough to prevent doctors having to make decisions about who gets treated and who doesn't - i.e. who gets treated and who dies.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/

....... nevermind the continued growth of infection over the next couple of months.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/18/uk-failures-over-covid-19-will-increase-death-toll-says-leading-doctor

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-peak-uk-when-what-next/

......and decades of austerity cuts and privatisation of national health services (where they existed) are going to massively exacerbate the problem.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/welfare-cuts-left-uk-undefended-coronavirus-200312193147678.html

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/17/816406904/u-k-steps-up-coronavirus-prevention-but-its-health-system-is-already-struggling

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/19/the-uk-governments-woeful-response-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak

As for the USA - well they are completely f*cked

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/17/coronavirus-air-pollution/
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Facts deleted, speculation, political point-scoring and interpretation (and hyperbole) left.

Unfortunately burying your head in the sand won't cut it.

 

[dazzer6666]

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/coronavirus-uk-20-000-or-fewer-deaths-good-outcome/1769436#

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/india-poor-testing-rate-masked-coronavirus-cases-200318040314568.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/world/asia/india-coronavirus.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-51913316

And the IMF have refused to provide any financial help to Venezuela as part of the continuing campaign by the West to force Maduro from power - and in Brazil a private healthcare company that runs numerous hospitals in Rio, has been accused of hiding the real number of infections and that their hospitals could be the main epicentre for the spread of the virus in Brazil.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-latam/military-roadblocks-curfews-latin-america-tightens-coronavirus-controls-idUSKBN2133BY

https://euobserver.com/coronavirus/147804

https://sciencenorway.no/disease-refugees-society-and-culture/professor-about-the-coronavirus-i-fear-many-children-will-die-in-refugee-camps/1656886

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/coronavirus-could-cause-carnage-among-world-s-refugees-aid-groups-n1162861



https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/



https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/18/uk-failures-over-covid-19-will-increase-death-toll-says-leading-doctor

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-peak-uk-when-what-next/



https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/welfare-cuts-left-uk-undefended-coronavirus-200312193147678.html

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/17/816406904/u-k-steps-up-coronavirus-prevention-but-its-health-system-is-already-struggling

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/19/the-uk-governments-woeful-response-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak



https://theintercept.com/2020/03/17/coronavirus-air-pollution/
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Unfortunately burying your head in the sand won't cut it.[/QUOTE]

Only checked the bottom one, it’s not a fact. It’s an article with a whole series of assumptions. On that basis I really can’t be arsed to dissect the rest of your tedious bullshit. If someone else wants to, good luck to them.

 

[Bry Nylon]

Unfortunately burying your head in the sand won't cut it.

I suggest you go back and edit your post above whilst you still can. Your inability to use the quote function properly makes it appear that Dazzer made the points that you have tediously replied to with multiple links that nobody will ever open. Of course, it was you that made all those claims originally in an earlier post, not Dazzer. The only quote you have correctly attributed to Dazzer is the last one.

1/10.