[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Kinky Gerbil]

Congratulations. That's the best interpretation of 'they're all the same' that I have heard in a long time

You obviously missed the bit where the scientists explained that the 'narcissistic orgy' (the words from No 10, not mine) at the heart of Government were completely incapable of understanding simple scientific concepts, figures and statistics.

Yep, nobody really knew what to do

You seem incapable of seeing what has been said other than what we already knew about Johnson etc, even when it has happened in the last 3 days

Whitty/Van Tam/Vallance have all given different answers to what they were saying should happen at the start and in some cases contradicts what they actually said during the time.

No one is claiming Johnson etc were not clowns, but there was difference of opinion at the time and not one clear voice.

 

[WATFORD zero]

You seem incapable of seeing what has been said other than what we already knew about Johnson etc, even when it has happened in the last 3 days

Whitty/Van Tam/Vallance have all given different answers to what they were saying should happen at the start and in some cases contradicts what they actually said during the time.

No one is claiming Johnson etc were not clowns, but there was difference of opinion at the time and not one clear voice.

That will be because they are scientists and will have different views on the information in front of them. 'Experts' and their expertise are essential to complex decisions, but that's as far as it goes, because it's complicated, hence very clever people spend their lives trying to understand it.

So, are we 'fed up with experts' or 'being led by science'. Shirley it can't be both, but that's why you need decision makers

In the field I worked in, I worked with some absolutely superb 'experts' who wouldn't agree on the most basic of things, but were superb at what they did. Which was why I listened very closely to what they said, and then made my decisions

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

That will be because they are scientists and will have different views on the information in front of them. 'Experts' and their expertise are essential to complex decisions, but that's as far as it goes.

So, are we 'fed up with experts' or 'being led by science'. Shirley it can't be both

Nice backtrack

Back on ignore you go

 

[WATFORD zero]

Nice backtrack

Back on ignore you go

It's probably for the best

 

[Is it PotG?]

In the field I worked in, I worked with some absolutely superb 'experts' who wouldn't agree on the most basic of things, but were superb at what they did. Which was why I listened very closely to what they said, and then made my decisions

No surprise at all to me that you were headhunted.

 

[Baldseagull]

I don't recall Labour screaming from the rooftops exclaiming 'THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT, YOU FOOLS'.

When Johnson was dithering over the first lockdown, Labour were in the middle of a leadership contest. Once Kier Starmer was installed, Labour acted like a wartime opposition, and were supportive of Covid related measures as far as they felt possible, despite that, Labour were calling for the second lock down weeks earlier than it was introduced.

 

[Is it PotG?]

When Johnson was dithering over the first lockdown, Labour were in the middle of a leadership contest. Once Kier Starmer was installed, Labour acted like a wartime opposition, and were supportive of Covid related measures as far as they felt possible, despite that, Labour were calling for the second lock down weeks earlier than it was introduced.

And willing to keep in place for the next five years.

 

[Baldseagull]

Great answer.

I DO look forward to next year when Starmer makes a manifesto and puts the country to rights, and there SHALL be honey still for tea.

Starmer is not the messiah, but he would have to be a very, very, very naughty boy to give us a worse ride than the current Tory Party would.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Starmer is not the messiah, but he would have to be a very, very, very naughty boy to give us a worse ride than the current Tory Party would.

As in football, I'm a results person.

Economic growth and a curb on the boats, they are the scores on the teleprinter I'll be watching for.

 

[clapham_gull]

Should 100% stuck with Boris...

Like he was going to hang around with the outgoings he has on a chicken feed PM's wages. He'd be gone by now anyway, naturally a populist liberal the right of the party would have turned on him.

I suggest you read a few books about him or research his time as London Mayor where he splaffed a billion pounds of tax payers money down the drain.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Starmer is not the messiah, but he would have to be a very, very, very naughty boy to give us a worse ride than the current Tory Party would.

Do you think he'll really bypass local councils and build, build, build on greenbelt?

 

[Baldseagull]

And willing to keep in place for the next five years.

You are making the same mistake that got us in all kinds of shit we have been in and are currently in, by believing things Boris Johnson said. Lockdowns could have been shorter if they had come in a bit sooner.

 

[Is it PotG?]

You are making the same mistake that got us in all kinds of shit we have been in and are currently in, by believing things Boris Johnson said. Lockdowns could have been shorter if they had come in a bit sooner.

Not quite my point but fair enough.

 

[Baldseagull]

Do you think he'll really bypass local councils and build, build, build on greenbelt?

Do You think that would be a terrible thing? If so, is it the bypassing of local councils, which is not quite what Labour have said, or is it using some Greenbelt?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

That will be because they are scientists and will have different views on the information in front of them. 'Experts' and their expertise are essential to complex decisions, but that's as far as it goes, because it's complicated, hence very clever people spend their lives trying to understand it.

So, are we 'fed up with experts' or 'being led by science'. Shirley it can't be both, but that's why you need decision makers

In the field I worked in, I worked with some absolutely superb 'experts' who wouldn't agree on the most basic of things, but were superb at what they did. Which was why I listened very closely to what they said, and then made my decisions

Not sure why Potty is laughing at your post. Your take on expert advice is correct. I have acted as an expert advisor/consultant to pharma on several occasions and the decisions are theirs to make not mine to dictate.

That's why the buck stops with useless Johnson. He opted to side with the view that the world would not end if action were delayed a week or so, rather than the view that lots more lives were likely to be saved by swift action.

 

[Baldseagull]

As in football, I'm a results person.

Economic growth and a curb on the boats, they are the scores on the teleprinter I'll be watching for.

We can stop the boats tomorrow, but do you really mean stopping so many people seeking asylum in the UK?

 

[Is it PotG?]

We can stop the boats tomorrow, but do you really mean stopping so many people seeking asylum in the UK?

No.
I mean stopping boats.
Are you trying to change my words?

 

[Is it PotG?]

Do You think that would be a terrible thing? If so, is it the bypassing of local councils, which is not quite what Labour have said, or is it using some Greenbelt?

I look forward to the next few years, I have the popcorn ready.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

When Johnson was dithering over the first lockdown, Labour were in the middle of a leadership contest. Once Kier Starmer was installed, Labour acted like a wartime opposition, and were supportive of Covid related measures as far as they felt possible, despite that, Labour were calling for the second lock down weeks earlier than it was introduced.

He knows that, but thinks throwing in a simplistic question in now and again, is ‘fun’.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You seem incapable of seeing what has been said other than what we already knew about Johnson etc, even when it has happened in the last 3 days

Whitty/Van Tam/Vallance have all given different answers to what they were saying should happen at the start and in some cases contradicts what they actually said during the time.

No one is claiming Johnson etc were not clowns, but there was difference of opinion at the time and not one clear voice.

The whole point of an enquiry is to hear all evidence, not just the bits you want to hear.
i hope you’re never called on jury duty.