[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[nicko31]

Good bit of viewing for Tory party conference week, tonight at 9.30pm on Channel 4.

Especially for Mad Nads

Partygate, Channel 4 review — Covid-era docudrama pulls no punches | Financial Times

Georgie Henley and Ophelia Lovibond recreate lockdown-breaking parties at No 10 Downing Street

www.ft.com

 

[vegster]

Apparently lots of Tory delegates leaving early because of the rail strike tomorrow thereby missing Sunaks confirmation of cancelling HS2 !

 

[nicko31]

Apparently lots of Tory delegates leaving early because of the rail strike tomorrow thereby missing Sunaks confirmation of cancelling HS2 !

Confirmed it’s canned

HS2 West Midlands-Manchester line to be scrapped

Rishi Sunak is expected to set out alternative projects in his Conservative Party conference speech.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Pevenseagull]

Confirmed it’s canned

HS2 West Midlands-Manchester line to be scrapped

Rishi Sunak is expected to set out alternative projects in his Conservative Party conference speech.

www.bbc.co.uk

Hello Manchester!

Have I got some exciting news for you.

 

[nicko31]

Hello Manchester!

Have I got some exciting news for you.

Moggy wants to use the dough to scrap inheritance tax.

 

[clapham_gull]

Confirmed it’s canned

HS2 West Midlands-Manchester line to be scrapped

Rishi Sunak is expected to set out alternative projects in his Conservative Party conference speech.

www.bbc.co.uk

Confirmed all week, but they refuse to say so. It was leaked from the Treasury.

Instead of announcing it to Parliament (which he should), he will announce it to a friendly audience in the very city they have sold down the river.

Sunak is a coward. Refuses to give straight answers to the press and refuses to stand up to the now fully confirmed far right element in his party.

 

[WATFORD zero]

yet your rhetoric is so consistently adamant that they are finished as a (current) political force and are unelectable. To be honest I dislike some of your regular phraseology (and before you say it, I don't expect you to care) but I agree. So I am genuinely interested to know why you have doubts

I don't know about him, but I have been absolutely stunned by the idiocy of the British electorate over the last few years despite mountains of evidence showing exactly what would happen. Given that, I'm still a little concerned what they may do in 12 months time (or less).

There is a reason that Joseph de Maistre said "Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite."

And the simple fact is that the British electorate thoroughly deserve the cabal that are currently in power. Have they learnt anything from it ? We'll see

 

[clapham_gull]

heckler is bit weird though, having 3 cameras, stewards on standby to pounce on a bearly audible comment. seems rather prepared.

I'm not so sure. That would be a good position to get audience "cut aways", he's right at the front and that's where the stewards would be.

Whoever films it doesn't appear to be bothered to follow him out of the audience either.

 

[Bakero]

 

[Bodian]

Unelected, not a Conservative Party candidate Farage seems to be having a better time at the conference than Sunak.

Rather concerningly it looks as though there is someone making a move on Patel right at the end there...!

This is what happens when you quietly disagree with the Home Secretary.





Just Stop Oil ? No he's the Conservative Chair of the London Assembly

Why are the Police involved here??

 

[Ooh it’s a corner]

I didn’t think they could get much worse after Johnson but ……….they’re obscene!

 

[nicko31]

Confirmation it’s nothing more than a government propaganda channel

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

This gov officially levying the highest % of tax as a proportion of national income in our history. Their wastefulness and corruption exacerbates the problem of course, but it does ask the question as to how do we (the taxpayer) can afford the level of public expenditure now, let alone the extra we are calling for (eg nhs, climate change mitigation, cost of living support etc) going forward.
Not necessarily a party political point as it is one of the big problems all parties have to find a solution to, but all imply they can tax less and spend more. I don’t believe they actually think is viable but to deny it costs too many votes.
Not sure what the answer is.

Has any particular sector made ridiculously over the top profits recently that perhaps be taxed?
could any incoming ruling party perhaps not waste quite as much money on hare-brained schemes to create jobs for mates which ultimately don’t work - remember track and trace!
might we find that using the proper channels and systems for purchasing and procurement might save money over VIP lanes and get-rich schemes for tory party donors?

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

The Tories have gone truly mask off this conference haven't they. Completely unhinged.

 

[The Clamp]

yet your rhetoric is so consistently adamant that they are finished as a (current) political force and are unelectable. To be honest I dislike some of your regular phraseology (and before you say it, I don't expect you to care) but I agree. So I am genuinely interested to know why you have doubts

Because people are idiots and vote against their own interests.

 

[Hotchilidog]

Between Braverman’s disgusting speech and Partygate on C4 this evening anyone voting Tory at the next election needs to take a good look at themselves. Awful people

 

[nicko31]

The Tories have gone truly mask off this conference haven't they. Completely unhinged.

Heard an interesting prediction from Jon Sopal tonight, Farage will be joining the Tories after the next election.

If they lose to Starmer don’t expect moderation, prepare for US Republican style politics

 

[clapham_gull]

Very perspective observation on "The News Agents" podcast which I highly recommend.

The Tories are suffering the same denial of the left when they have lost or have failed to gain power.

"We simply weren't socialist enough..."

The Tories are looking back over the last 13 years and have come to the conclusion it all went wrong because they weren't right wing enough.

The difference with Labour of course is they are in power. Frightening, but I still trust the electorate to kick them out at the next election.

Over the last year I spoken to a number of what you would call "traditional Tory voters" who went for Blair in 96. They've had enough of the Conservatives but are very fearful of Starmer. They still associate the party with Corbyn.

Strategically Labour need to a bit more to appeal those "small c conservative" voters.

The ones I've spoken to aren't that bothered with immigration, "wokeness" or whether a women has a penis. It's all about the cost of living and the one I spoke to today think the rich are taking the piss.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Heard an interesting prediction from Jon Sopal tonight, Farage will be joining the Tories after the next election.

If they lose to Starmer don’t expect moderation, prepare for US Republican style politics

Seems likely we are only going deeper down this rabbit hole.

 

[Barnet Seagull]

The Party of Business.

That should really tell you everything you need to know in terms of their interests, and it ain't us, our education, our wellbeing, our .... etc.