I think you need to do a little bit more digging before you start throwing shit at teachers.
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- Thread starter Simster
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I think you need to do a little bit more digging before you start throwing shit at teachers.
keaton
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- Nov 18, 2004
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That's not them refusing to discuss it, it's the opposite in fact. They are saying individual teachers should not be involved in this, the Unions will be and they will advise teachers.
Jimmy Grimble
Well-known member
That is what was sent to teachers of one Union. It refers to planning meetings with their respective school leaders, not discussions with the government.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52650259
In their joint statement, nine unions, including the National Education Union and the National Association of Head Teachers, rejected the plans for a phased return of primary school pupils after half term - saying it was still too early to be safe.
The unions called for a delay until a "full roll-out of a national test and trace scheme" was in place and there were extra resources for cleaning, protective equipment and risk assessments.
The joint statement said that "classrooms of four and five-year olds could become sources of Covid-19 transmission and spread".
"We call on the government to step back from the 1st June and work with us to create the conditions for a safe return to schools."
They are very clearly not refusing to discuss.
Why? are they completely immune to criticism?
And then you read articles like this;
https://www.theguardian.com/educati...ld-fuel-coronavirus-spread-dfe-adviser-admits
So DfE admit that opening schools are likely to fuel coronavirus spread
They've also admitted that it wasn't a department decision, but that it came from SAGE;
"Rahman’s evidence is likely to result in headteachers thinking again about reopening, throwing the government’s timetable into doubt. It will also raise questions about the DfE’s level of involvement in the decision-making process behind the reopening, after Rahman told MPs: “That was not a departmental decision, that was a cabinet decision following advice from Sage.”
https://www.theguardian.com/educati...ld-fuel-coronavirus-spread-dfe-adviser-admits
So DfE admit that opening schools are likely to fuel coronavirus spread
They've also admitted that it wasn't a department decision, but that it came from SAGE;"Rahman’s evidence is likely to result in headteachers thinking again about reopening, throwing the government’s timetable into doubt. It will also raise questions about the DfE’s level of involvement in the decision-making process behind the reopening, after Rahman told MPs: “That was not a departmental decision, that was a cabinet decision following advice from Sage.”
Not at all, but you've decided to lump teachers and the unions in the Coronavirus **** List. They really can't be lined up with the likes of Branson et al.
Given the decidedly vague direction from the government on how schools are supposed to open up and maintain a safe environment for the pupils (and their families) and teachers/care assistants etc, I think it's entirely appropriate that teachers should not be given the responsibility on discussing and agreeing a way on how to do this. Unless of course you would expect ALL employers to pass on their responsibilities to their employees for their safety?
Someone (to whom you were replying) needs to read up on the reasons for the formation, and the resultant creation of collective bargaining triggered by: unions.
They also need to take off their Thatcher-tinted spectacles whenever unions are mentioned.
(And I say that as someone in a union that I regard as a club for my least competant colleagues to plot revolution over tea and hobnobs while taking their eye off the actual ball flying over their heads)
Green Cross Code Man
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Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
This is a telling quote from the article and is one which the government has neatly side-stepped the issue of teacher safety, with answers that typically stress the low incidence of bad cases of covid 19 in children whilst ignoring the possible problems for adults.
'Rahman told the committee there was little evidence to suggest children transmit the virus any differently from adults. “There are some studies which suggest that they might transmit it less than adults, but this evidence is mixed, it’s quite early, and so there is a low degree of confidence among Sage [the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies] currently in the evidence which suggests that they might transmit it less.”'
keaton
Big heart, hot blood and balls. Big balls
- Nov 18, 2004
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As I posted somewhere the limited info they sent to schools mentioned evidence that children were less likely to get ill, it didn't mention anything about transmission. I would assume they'd be circulating any evidence they have about that
Billy the Fish
Technocrat
I think there needs to be a serious and transparent conversation about what we're trying to achieve.
The initial plan was to flatten the curve and stop the NHS getting overwhelmed. I think in some people's mind that has morphed into stop transmission at any cost until there's a vaccine.
That doesn't seem viable to me. Sooner or later we're going to have to risk people in the low risk groups getting it and building up immunity.
Government have to be honest about the accepted risk otherwise everyone will get their knickers in a twist.
The initial plan was to flatten the curve and stop the NHS getting overwhelmed. I think in some people's mind that has morphed into stop transmission at any cost until there's a vaccine.
That doesn't seem viable to me. Sooner or later we're going to have to risk people in the low risk groups getting it and building up immunity.
Government have to be honest about the accepted risk otherwise everyone will get their knickers in a twist.
He should never have been allowed into Government again after he leaked highly secret Government documents to the press. Sod it, he shouldn't have been allowed into Parliament again.
Machiavelli
Well-known member
Have the UK Freedom Movement featured yet. Apologies if fixtures but, otherwise, here's a group that is wrong on just about everything. See:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...p-planned-anti-lockdown-protests-in-uk-cities
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...p-planned-anti-lockdown-protests-in-uk-cities
Unfortunately 'as we reduce restrictions some of you who are safe now will die' is not a message likely to be received favourably if illuminated by the daylight of transparency.
I'd prefer 'the less said the better' strategy . . . .albeit only if I had faith that HMG are focused primarily on the best possible outcome for the greatest number of people, rather than the best possible outcome for their own PR and future electoral prospects. Many of them are but there is a heart of darkness at work in there....(*cough* Cummings *cough*)
Tonight's pothole initiative, 'making roads safer for cars and busses and motorcycles and, er..' (go carts, milk floats, Sinclair C5s?) was more needless chutzpah that had me reaching for the sick bag....
Mayonaise
Well-known member
Matt Hancock you shameless liar!
Dick Swiveller
Well-known member
- Sep 9, 2011
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Steve Coogan for furloughing his gardeners and housekeeper and giving the usual suspects the chance to rant about leftie hypocrites.
nicko31
Well-known member
Poor from Coogan
But, I blame a poorly thought out system to keep people in work, its open to abuse and results on poor productivity.
Sunak it seems can only walk on water, I'm afraid our system is so far away from best global practice
Billy the Fish
Technocrat
I think this best sums up my thoughts on the matter.
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