nwgull
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Want to clarify the significant difference: We haven’t lost Bissouma; we sold him for 30m. Palace have lost Gallagher though, for £0.
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Want to clarify the significant difference: We haven’t lost Bissouma; we sold him for 30m. Palace have lost Gallagher though, for £0.
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Oldest? Theyre only 12 years old.
The original Crystal Palace that ripped off investors, St Johns Ambulence et al folded.... It's dead, finished, capiche.
The Crystal palace of today simply uses name of dead bankrupt club, and tries to pass itself off as the orginal club with a history.
They're like the Land of Leather furniture stores....... new land of leather....... world of leather etc.
Bankrupt, write off, rebrand in same premises and pretend its all the same.
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Breaking - John Textor now owns the majority of Ligue 1 side Lyon. More follows.
Breaking - John Textor now owns the majority of Ligue 1 side Lyon. More follows.
Smillie's People
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- Aug 14, 2013
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And that was trashed too, but by the weather I gather. When will the West Pier remains "go West" then? Are they going to be restored for the starlings now? There;s nothing left to burn..
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Not looking good.
“The project that I discovered in Lyon with Jean-Michel Aulas and all his teams will be at the epicentre of our new organisation and our investments in the service of world football,” said Textor. “Olympique Lyonnais will be the cornerstone of our project.”
What does that mean? Trouble ahead?
“The project that I discovered in Lyon with Jean-Michel Aulas and all his teams will be at the epicentre of our new organisation and our investments in the service of world football,” said Textor. “Olympique Lyonnais will be the cornerstone of our project.”
What does that mean? Trouble ahead?
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FatSuperman
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- Feb 25, 2016
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Luckily for the world's truly oldest league clubs there are actual professionals who dedicate their time to this sort of thing. And point out it's bollocks. How very much in keeping with Palace.
https://spiksley.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/01.-cp-11-may-update-2.pdf
tl;dr - it's not true.
https://spiksley.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/01.-cp-11-may-update-2.pdf
tl;dr - it's not true.
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https://www.holmesdale.net/page.php?id=82&story=7860
Typical Palace, trying to be relevant and make money out of nothing.
Typical Palace, trying to be relevant and make money out of nothing.
Stato
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- Dec 21, 2011
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Blimey. Those fellas really put the legwork in. 121 pages, most of it appendices that evidence their sources. Thanks for posting. The conclusion on p18 is pretty damning of Manning's research:
"Conclusion
There is no direct connection between Crystal Palace FC est. 1861 and the present day club. This is for the following reasons:
1. Martin Westby’s book in which he looked at the lineage between the two Crystal Palace Football Clubs reveals there was none.
2. There is no Crystal Palace team affiliated with the Football Association between the years 1875 and 1905. They do not play in FA Cup or League matches at any level.
3. The Crystal Palace FC that appears briefly in 1895/6, playing friendly matches with a side largely composed of Corinthian FC players, is not associated with either the 1861 or 1905 team.
4. To establish a Crystal Palace Football team in 1905 a new and separate company had to be created. The directors and key players did not include WG Grace or anyone from the London County Cricket Association, or anyone from the CPC again disproving the link between Club and CPC.
5. The 1906 document which refers to Crystal Palace FC (1861) players to be past players of the current incarnation should not be considered proof of fact. Instead a judgement should be made on whether they were right or wrong to make this reference in light of all other evidence, and of which there exists not one article or document in any local or national newspaper, books or official records until very recently! ZERO.
6. Peter Manning cannot prove that because other football clubs came out of earlier cricket clubs that this demonstrates this was also the case at the Crystal Palace. Other claims that CPFC 1905 were influenced by other clubs’ attendances are clearly wrong.
7. The Crystal Palace Company did not own or control the CPFC 1861. The relationship would have been one of landlord and tenant, unless they paid the fee for the hire of the pitch to the cricket club, in which case it would have been a sub-tenant of the cricket club. The 1861 club was a club for and run by its members, like the larger and longer-lived CPCC who Campbell describes as a “self supporting club.” The 1861 club was a society of members as confirmed by The Athletic News report of 17 January 1883.
8. The Athletic News report of January 1883 describes the 1861 club as a separate entity, which folded after falling out with the CPC. There is therefore no connection between the 1861 club, and the current professional club founded in September 1905."
The authors also seem to be very experienced, looking at Mark Metcalf's other books on early football history: https://spiksley.com/marks-books/
It seems that only an idiot would attempt to maintain the lie in the face of such a comprehensive demolishing of all premises on which the claim is based. - An idiot or a scoundrel.
A little bit interesting tbh... if this bloke wants to make a profit on football, Lyon is infinitely easier - lower wages and a lot more likely to qualify to the cash cow that is Champions League.
I think the money behind Textor is from the authentic brands co, and a man called J Salter he is meant to be worth quite a bit ?
Stato
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- Dec 21, 2011
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Fair play to the author of that, Palace fan and historian Gordon Law, for maintaining his intellectual honesty despite fan affiliations making him want the lie to be true. If only Parish and his marketing team had similar ethics, perhaps his club wouldn't end up a laughing stock quite so often.
I liked the comment from one Palace fan on that forum who indicated that the only link between the 1861 and the current outfit is that they are both amateurs.
FatSuperman
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- Feb 25, 2016
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* NEW RESEARCH JUST IN *
My dad said that his many times great-great-great (etc) grandfather played football at a field in Brighton in the early 1800's, thus making Brighton the oldest club in the world*
Pinging Paul B now to get the 1901 nonsense changed to reflect our newly invented heritage.
*On the basis that football was played somewhere nearby.
My dad said that his many times great-great-great (etc) grandfather played football at a field in Brighton in the early 1800's, thus making Brighton the oldest club in the world*
Pinging Paul B now to get the 1901 nonsense changed to reflect our newly invented heritage.
*On the basis that football was played somewhere nearby.
Stato
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- Dec 21, 2011
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I see that Palace fans got to Wikipedia this week whilst the truth has been getting its trousers on: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.ph...gland_and_Wales_by_year_formed&action=history
Brian Fantana
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This is absolutely mental, even by Palace’s standards. Loftily claiming to be the oldest club in the world, despite tangible evidence disproving it. We know that as a club they have similar relationship to the truth as Boris Johnson does.
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You cannot close your club down and phoenix it without consequence, CPFC (2010) Ltd, the club they now are, which is an indisputable fact, is 12 years old.
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Both Albion and Palace very quiet in the transfer window, I guess it's the status of us both that we have to wait for the big clubs feeding frenzy to be over and then we go in and get our chance to feed?
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https://www.football.london/crystal...ews/jose-mourinho-wilfried-zaha-roma-24439179
Would be a good bit of business for Pilarse
Would be a good bit of business for Pilarse
They sound like Leeds fans.