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[Bodian]

A 90% rise in hospitalisations on a week ago seems…concerning

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90% ?

That was the figure I saw being quoted, still a worrying trend right now even if it’s not (it was posted in good faith)

I think the 90% referred to daily numbers of admissions (up to around 2,000 a day from 1,150 a week ago), not the total actually in hospital.

However - it seems many are with 'incidental covid', not being treated for covid itself.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Christopher Snowdon
@cjsnowdon
Interestingly, there were only slightly more people being treated for Covid on 28 Dec (5,578) than on 1 Nov (5,420).

https://twitter.com/cjsnowdon/status/1476870210456010752?s=20

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

Many workers are drained after the last 18 months, not just in the health service.

No reason to shut the country down, have 100,000s lose jobs and see more businesses fold.

You lock yourself away though by all means if you are that worried.

The rest of us can get on with it.

BTW - I had COVID in late November. I know the risk. It really isn’t that bad.

I’m not sure why I’m defending Crodo here, but why do people assume that just because someone believes we need to be a little more cautious that means full blown lockdown? Who is even talking about shutting the country down again? Nobody as far as I can see, but you just need to go for the full on rhetoric to make a biased point.

As for you having Covid and it not being “that bad” - well good for you, though clearly not so good for the 148,000 people it wasn’t not so bad for, eh, but you’re ok, so all’s fine!

 

[LamieRobertson]

Unless you do get it bad.

Aye, agreed…clearly the poster should have said it’s not always bad…probably in the majority of cases….look at a couple of recent posters ..Wizard for example ..tested positive but no symptoms…Westender tested positive and has suffered quite severe fatigue (more than he’s used to as an accountant..smile)..and other symptoms..no one wants to be ill….but what I have found interesting is that when I get told (off of here) that so and so has ‘covid’ …and I then ask how are they ..they don’t know …it’s as if there is an automatic assumption that covid=bad illness…I guess that its now engrained in our mindset ..because to even have covid without being actually ill has ramifications

 

[dsr-burnley]

I’m not sure why I’m defending Crodo here, but why do people assume that just because someone believes we need to be a little more cautious that means full blown lockdown? Who is even talking about shutting the country down again? Nobody as far as I can see., but you just need to go for the full on rhetoric to make a biased point.

Pagel, who Crodo was quoting, was talking about full blown lockdown. Hence the full on rhetoric

 

[dsr-burnley]

Aye, agreed…clearly the poster should have said it’s not always bad…probably in the majority of cases….look at a couple of recent posters ..Wizard for example ..tested positive but no symptoms…Westender tested positive and has suffered quite severe fatigue (more than he’s used to as an accountant..smile)..and other symptoms..no one wants to be ill….but what I have found interesting is that when I get told (off of here) that so and so has ‘covid’ …and I then ask how are they ..they don’t know …it’s as if there is an automatic assumption that covid=bad illness…I guess that its now engrained in our mindset ..because to even have covid without being actually ill has ramifications

I find it's the other way round. When I hear that someone has covid, I so much assume that they are OK that I can forget to ask. It probably helps that everyone I know who had covid, apart from one old chap who had fifty things wrong with him, had symptoms ranging from none to mild flu.

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

Pagel, who Crodo was quoting, was talking about full blown lockdown. Hence the full on rhetoric

Except the post Crodo made, that Worthingseagull replied to and I was responding to, doesn't mention any quote, just the opinion that some measures should have been put in place sooner.

Crodo may have later quoted Pagel, but not in that strand of the thread...

 

[dsr-burnley]

Except the post Crodo made, that Worthingseagull replied to and I was responding to, doesn't mention any quote, just the opinion that some measures should have been put in place sooner.

Crodo may have later quoted Pagel, but not in that strand of the thread...

Not a problem. But regardless of which post you were referring to, people are (unfortunately) talking about full on lockdown as a reasonable option.

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

Not a problem. But regardless of which post you were referring to, people are (unfortunately) talking about full on lockdown as a reasonable option.

A genuine question, as I try and avoid the news outlets these days.

Who wants a full lockdown, as I really can't see the government taking the public along again!

 

[dsr-burnley]

A genuine question, as I try and avoid the news outlets these days.

Who wants a full lockdown, as I really can't see the government taking the public along again!

Self-styled Independent Sage, most vociferously vocalised by Christina Pagel.

 

[clapham_gull]

I think the 90% referred to daily numbers of admissions (up to around 2,000 a day from 1,150 a week ago), not the total actually in hospital.

However - it seems many are with 'incidental covid', not being treated for covid itself.

The incidental then causing infection issues for the hospital (whether that be to staff or other patients) which is something not mentioned often.



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[Bodian]

The incidental then causing infection issues for the hospital (whether that be to staff or other patients) which is something not mentioned often.

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Indeed - and all the bother of having to isolate / use different wards, and so on. But the main point stands in that the numbers quoted are not the numbers actually being treated for covid itself.

 

[A1X]

Self-styled Independent Sage, most vociferously vocalised by Christina Pagel.

Do they? I’ve heard them call for “restrictions” but as has been said, that’s not the same thing as calling for a lockdown. Masks on trains and in shops would be classed as a “restriction”. Leaving a window open to socialise is a “restriction”. Neither of these things are lockdowns.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Do they? I’ve heard them call for “restrictions” but as has been said, that’s not the same thing as calling for a lockdown. Masks on trains and in shops would be classed as a “restriction”. Leaving a window open to socialise is a “restriction”. Neither of these things are lockdowns.

Omicron is doubling so fast that sheer numbers will v likely outweigh any advantage of reduced severity (if it exists)," said Professor Christina Pagel from Independent SAGE on Twitter.

"To prevent NHS being overwhelmed in a few weeks & for a safer Xmas we need to act now. Not next week, not after Xmas, now.

"We are calling for an immediate *10 day* circuit break to protect NHS & enable safer mixing over Xmas (25-28 December).

"Reassess over Xmas to see what is needed then, when much more info available. Situation changing so fast, can't plan far ahead."


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....1/10-day-circuit-breaker-lockdown-needed/amp/


Feel free find others, but it quickly went from 10 days to a month as we progressed through dec

 

[clapham_gull]

Indeed - and all the bother of having to isolate / use different wards, and so on. But the main point stands in that the numbers quoted are not the numbers actually being treated for covid itself.

But this a very different scenario than before and what people are in there for has become somewhat irrelevant. Which is why the extra capacity is going in to London hospitals.

6% of Great Ormand Street staff are self isolating for instance on top of routine sickness this year.

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[beorhthelm]

Do they? I’ve heard them call for “restrictions” but as has been said, that’s not the same thing as calling for a lockdown. Masks on trains and in shops would be classed as a “restriction”. Leaving a window open to socialise is a “restriction”. Neither of these things are lockdowns.

closing pubs is a restriction, closing resturants is a restriction, closing schools is a restriction... the group keeps calling for more and more restrictions, then "circuit breaker" temporay lockdowns, without specific end.

these are the types that will tell us there is no safe level of alcohol, that we must cut all fat/sugar from diets. health puritans that believe everything has a statistically harmfull effect on health, we must remove that harm, without concern for the consequence.

 

[worthingseagull123]

Unless you do get it bad.

True.

But if I get it again, that is down to me.

 

[vegster]

closing pubs is a restriction, closing resturants is a restriction, closing schools is a restriction... the group keeps calling for more and more restrictions, then "circuit breaker" temporay lockdowns, without specific end.

these are the types that will tell us there is no safe level of alcohol, that we must cut all fat/sugar from diets. health puritans that believe everything has a statistically harmfull effect on health, we must remove that harm, without concern for the consequence.

Closing down options for mixing in close contact is the sensible thing to do temporarily. The " Government " has told us all to be careful about close contacts and interactions but dare not actually try to stop it. Try to imagine the effects of 5-10 people who are Covid positive spending the evening in The king and Queen tonight ? Sadly common sense is, and will, continue to be in short supply.

 

[Weststander]

Aye, agreed…clearly the poster should have said it’s not always bad…probably in the majority of cases….look at a couple of recent posters ..Wizard for example ..tested positive but no symptoms…Westender tested positive and has suffered quite severe fatigue (more than he’s used to as an accountant..smile)..and other symptoms..no one wants to be ill….but what I have found interesting is that when I get told (off of here) that so and so has ‘covid’ …and I then ask how are they ..they don’t know …it’s as if there is an automatic assumption that covid=bad illness…I guess that its now engrained in our mindset ..because to even have covid without being actually ill has ramifications

Dr Chris Smith gave some numbers a week ago, backing your comments.

Pre vaccines, 22% of Covid cases resulted in hospitalisation.

Dec 2021, 8%.

The vast majority of the infected, as I was, were a million miles away from being hospitalised, from using NHS resources.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Try to imagine the effects of 5-10 people who are Covid positive spending the evening in The king and Queen tonight ?.

An extra 50 people might get runny nose/sore throats next week?