- Jul 10, 2003
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Just like shutting down American chicken production in 1918 would have stopped any further pandemics
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Is this nature pressing the 'reset' button ?
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Just like shutting down American chicken production in 1918 would have stopped any further pandemics
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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quite right its defensive, you've questioned global food chain which we depend on. we cannot support our population on home grown food, even with modern agriculture, so where do you want to take that?
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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a good example of Betteridge's law. so domesication of animals is probably responsible for all flu, lets go vegan globally. dont disagree its an option.
As far as I can see the article doesn't call for global veganism, though the word vegan is used once:
"There have been claims on social media, sometimes posted by vegans, that if we ate less meat there would have been no Covid-19. Interestingly, some of these have been blocked by mainstream news organisations as “partly false”. But the claims are also partly true. Though the links they draw are too simplistic, the evidence is now strong that the way meat is produced – and not just in China – contributed to Covid-19.
It is clear that to prevent or at least slow the emergence of new zoonoses, as Fearnley and Lynteris have argued, China’s wet markets will need to be better regulated. But we also need to look behind those markets, at how our food is produced globally."
Your attachment to the status quo is quite something.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,431
of course it is, the entire article is highlighting our domestication and farming of animals has created easy conduit for virus to cross from species to us. i accepted the argument is possibly right and the solution is end domestication of animals, and means going vegan. what other conclusion was supposed to be drawn?
BBassic
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- Jul 28, 2011
- 12,514
Literally nothing will change because of this pandemic.
Calling it now.
Pollution levels will go back to their pre-COVID levels, mass consumption will remain the way of the world, people in low pay jobs will still be dicked over at the first hint of economic wobble.
There'll be individual changes for sure but it won't amount to a societal change.
#cynicismFriday
Calling it now.
Pollution levels will go back to their pre-COVID levels, mass consumption will remain the way of the world, people in low pay jobs will still be dicked over at the first hint of economic wobble.
There'll be individual changes for sure but it won't amount to a societal change.
#cynicismFriday
Is there no middle ground?
I'm swinging between optimism and cynicism myself, with the latter generally on top.
seagull_special
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Absolutely and there is nothing to say it couldn’t happen again in any other place with poor practice and hygene with even worse consequences. The hope would be that the world react quicker and isolate but prevention is definitely the best option.
We dont know to what the extent the Earth is "living" and if it got a "immune system" in that case. Of course there is a huge sentiment of people who believe that humans know and understand evertyhing because of our Holy Flawless Science, but the planet is littered with ruins of civilisations that though they were all-knowing and therefore could tame the nature and the planet. We're not so clever as we may think.
worthingseagull123
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- May 5, 2012
- 2,599
The contagion is bring out the eco-loonies with their crackpot ideas.
Wrong-Direction
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- Mar 10, 2013
- 13,454
No one was listening to David Attenborough so nature stepped in. Earth only had about 50 years left so maybe it's a good thing for the human race to continue
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You're one of the biggest crackpots on here.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Your quintessential generation me.
Machiavelli
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Yes, at least 8000, although the figure generally alighted on is 12,000. Disappointingly for you, however, one of the key debates within the Stratigraphy sub-group that will likely soon have its proposal for the anthropocene ratified is precisely when its beginning will be designated (all geological eras/epochs/periods are). They have considered four:
-- the emergence of agriculture, that you point to
-- the rise of capitalism, and the first wave of globalisation, c1500
-- the industrial revolution, c1800
-- the post-war upturn in production and consumption, including the nuclear age, c1950
The proposal of the sub-group is to go with the third option. You'll note, however, that, beyond the first, capitalism is involved. With a bit of luck, mindless, indiscriminate growth and exploitation of resources will decline as a result of CV19 and, more importantly, the confirmation of the anthropocene. That doesn't spell the end of capitalism (which, in numerous sectors, is an efficient way to distribute resources and products, and generative of quality), but the neoliberalism that we've been too greatly subjected to over the past four decades, is simply incompatible with it.
As to your point about human nature, I note how you've qualified it but any insistence on pinning it down usually generates multiple problems.
Machiavelli
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Hmm, I might be with [MENTION=20488]BBassic[/MENTION] and you, but I characterise myself as a disappointed optimist
