Not only did they compel the sub-postmasters to pay 'back' to the PO money that they hadn't actually taken in the first place, they then received bonuses because of it. That's straight theft from the sub-postmasters to the investigators / executives.
No - there wasn't a gotcha moment, and I watched quite a lot of it. But what happened really was a constant chipping away at the narrative she was portraying. Almost everything she was confronted with she 'explained' away with comments like 'I can see how it reads now, but that's not what I...
The final 20 minutes were fascinating. I thought the questioner was a bit disjointed to begin with, but he ended up basically setting her up for his final piece.
He asked about her media colleague and a comment on the Today programme. She said that it was awful, and not something she would...
Tomorrow might be feisty though. Instead of the calm Mr Beer, it's the turn of barristers representing victims and others. They will be far more attack minded.
In amongst all the despair and sadness this has all caused, there are a few moments that lift the spirit a bit - such as Mr Beer finding a way of saying 'that's complete bollocks' without actually saying it.
Yes - he was asking her if she agreed with it. But what was striking was that her immediate thought was about showing herself to be above the use of the work 'subbies'. She had to be prompted to answer the important question of whether she thought that they had their hands in the tills.
She was shown this email
KC Beer asked her if that was a sentiment that she agreed with.
Her first answer was 'No, I never used the word 'subbies', I thought it was completely the wrong word'.
"I didn't know", "I wasn't told", "I wasn't aware".
Piece of piss being a CEO of a huge organisation isn't it. Don't need to know anything, be aware of anything or have anything to do with anything.
Exactly. It's bollocks.
And she didn't just 'work' for the PO - she was Managing Director.
All she had to do was read Private Eye, and I cannot believe that the senior folk at the PO did not read about PO prosecutions in the press. As I say above - I knew before her, and I have never worked...
Like that awful lawyer who said he didn't know how to save or print emails so it couldn't have been him who printed and saved the emails - Vennells will try and pretend that a) she has no recollection of this email, b) it may have been someone else, and so on.