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There are anti-Saudi demonstrations at every home game, though not well attended. Those protesting are largely left in peace by the rest of the fans, which is a scintilla of relief. You're absolutely right that resistance to the new owners would be stronger had they taken control from a...

Ah, I was saying that there's one moron clearly looking up at the away fans, goading them. The of the crowd there are staring in the other direction, clearly focussed on the game. My point was that there are a few morons in every support, but most fans are the same up and down the country.

Sorry, I don't want to get bogged down in minutiae, and I think I've got lost in this thread, but I honestly don't know which particular group of fans or chant you're referring to?

What are you talking about? I know what's sung on the terraces because I am there on the terraces. I know what was sung at the impromptu celebration, because I was there. I know what the consensus amongst the Newcastle fans is, because I ask. Put it this way, if I were to make claims about what...

To be clear, we protested for progress (or transparency) of the only takeover that was accepted by Ashley. We were clamouring for any takeover. And, it bears repeating, the only reason this takeover went through, is because the Saudis stopped illegally streaming BEin's PL broadcast. Nothing to...

I go where I'm needed.

Staveley and her husband own 10% of the club and yes she's highly regarded as the person who brokered the deal that got Ashley out and the Saudis in. But she isn't Saudi. And you said we laud the Saudis. There are no Saudi chants regularly sung on the terraces. That last picture is actually...

Don't fall into the trap of conflating the joy that followed Ashley's departure with joy at being owned by Saudis. The chants at the impromptu street party were "Out of our club", pro-Newcastle chants and an admittedly ill-judged "We've got our club back". Amanda Staveley is a minority owner...

40,000. 20% of the regular matchgoing fans had had enough. It was sufficiently significant that the club literally gave away 10,000 half-season tickets.

Are they? From a lot of what I've read on here, we had no right to want him out because other teams had it worse. Or we've had it worse before ourselves. We're not ignoring the background etc. We're fully aware of them and each individual has to make their choices for themselves. And had we...

Ah, therein lies the rub; 1 we didn't have a say in the sale of our club 2 the other bids put to Ashley were not accepted, the Saudi bid was the only one he was willing to push forward with. Rumours are that it's because as part of the negotiations he pressed for the right to open Sports Direct...

I don't really understand the logic behind your post. Is it that Newcastle fans have no justification to hold Ashley in contempt, because during his 14 seasons we averaged a bottom half of the top flight finish? We must disregard everything else, and instead compare our average league position...

Haven't defended the Saudis one bit. I have defended the fans from some pretty petty internet point scoring though. I've seen us be called thick, that we're all lock step behind the Saudis, that Ashley wasn't a bad owner (and thus by implication that we were wrong to want him out), and so on...

That your criticism of us is somewhat diluted by the global acceptance of late stage capitalism

Why couldn't we be part of the chasing pack, like you've become, like Brentford are aiming for? What about Newcastle United prevents us from aiming for that?

That's not the truth. Not if you can set aside your own subjective position and look at it objectively. Objectively Ashley brought a competitive sporting institution low, tore out it's heart, and through his actions and inactions forced thousands to give up on what once was integral to their...

I have not heard a single song celebrating Saudi Arabia. The public projection is just that, a projection. It's as profound as the chants you hear up and down the country. I don't think it's irrelevant at all. The terraces are theatre, with bravado and braggadocio dominating above genuine...

It is a complicated and layered abstract, you're right. And while some owners can provide sustainability because the budget is small so they need to sell the best players, or scale back on investment into the infrastructure. Some owners can provide community involvement because everything else...

I thought misrepresenting people's words was ok on here? I mean, I didn't say "If everyone else is doing it why shouldn't I", but you suggest I did.

But we don't though, do we? Newcastle United exists for more than simply sportswashing the Saudi regime (unsuccessfully by the way), just as Brighton doesn't solely exist to promote AMEX, does it?