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well exactly, the comparions to US are not very relevent what happens or the motivations here.

is it really equivilent or relevent to UK though? according to the new Electoral Commission estimate, this affects 300k or 0.63% of the population. thats about 1/6th their previous estimate btw, showing the changes to include most forms of ID worked well. for that remaining 0.63% there are...

page 12 of the report says 3% of those that did not vote, did not due to not having ID. 4% didn't vote because "no point voting", another 4% because no party represented their views, 6% because they forgot, 13% because they are fed up with politics. seems like there might be more important...

i wonder if the turnout will be higher, as people go off to try out using ID.

questions we know the answer to! first, its pushed from inside the Home Office, not Conservative head office, so wouldnt be in a manifesto. second, older people tend to have bus passes, younger tend to have ID to prove 18. it might make not sense to you or I to leave out non-age specific young...

apathy and lack of engagement from the politicans is a far larger issue for voter turnout than needing an ID. who is this group that know there is an election, know local candidates and some policies and not know about ID? a tiny tiny number. probably about the same as fraudulent votes.

thats the spirit, embrace ID and make it mandatory. its what people far smater than those that brought in voter ID government are banking on.

estimates based on research before consulation, before list of accepted ID balloned from driver ID and passport, to 20+ other forms. maybe the consultation worked. :shrug:

they have, in providing the long list of ID acceptable to vote. and in a few years you'll be expected to hold one, and then a National ID will come in to make it all easier :thumbsup:

yep, they want the younger voters to get a PASS Card ID, and more used to the notion of a ID card. and there are no age based travel cards for 18+, they are 16+ for network rail/oyster and younger for bus passes.

when the legislation was first proposed, consultation phase said the elderly wouldn't have cars anymore or travel, so they included bus passes. then others said the young cant afford to drive or holiday yet, so they included PASS cards. if the plan was to stop people voting, they've done a lot...

depends on what the problem is. if it's "how do we get national ID through" its a great solution. :thumbsup:

the envelope had "you need ID to vote" over 50% of it, the voting card (now paper) has it across the top and entire back has all the ID valid along with how to get ID.

this overlooks the changes to the legislation as passed. seems that has taken in to account concerns, with a raft of forms of ID accepted, not in the orginal proposed drafts.

Electoral Commission suggested it back in 2006 or so. dont know wether in cahoots with Home Office desire for a National ID, seem to be aligned though. gradually we see more people saying "why not just have a national ID", we'll get there i'm sure.

sending out informatino with the polling cards seems to the obvious and efficient way to communicate the requirement. i wonder how many people know there's a local election until they come through.

PASS card are prove your 18 ID cards.

relevance is showing its not an unusual thing. your implying all those countries must be fascist. we could climb down from the hyperbole. an ID card is designed to show a persons ID, nothing more. how that is used within a society could be positive or negative. there's a large cohort of people...

yes sounds along way from fraud. i recall the wisdom used to be Conservatives did better in bad weather because they could drive or run car pools to get elderly out to vote.

most our european friends need to have ID to vote and their cards arent free. are they discriminatory? im only trying to help here, if everyone wants to bang on about the availablity and cost of the ID card, that will be solved and we'll have them in short order. pick the right battleground...