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:lolol: Fair point. I think only the biggest Tory fanboi would try and argue this was anything other than a major f**k up. They've done it completely arse about face. The detail should've been released first to those who need it e.g employers who can then cascade it down. Then they could...

That's not what he said, or meant. Do you honestly interpret that as "turn up at work without discussing it with my employer"? It's as if some people can only process a single piece of information at a time and forget everything else. beorhthelm mentioned it earlier in the thread - you're...

The message is undoubtedly a load of bollocks! The more they talk the bigger the hole they dig. I do think that given the lack of a clear message people need to take some personal responsibility here. It's up to all of us to keep social distancing, it shouldn't be difficult for employers to...

More restrictions on freedom would need more enforcement, that's a given in any society. If you want to interpret that as"the British public can't be trusted" that's up to you but it makes you sound like a tabloid headline. "Poor little darlings might not like being told off" FFS, go and live in...

Not allowed outside at all without papers, far more checkpoints, monitoring with drones, bigger fines for non-compliance. Our culture of policing is different. I think everyone would struggle if the police had to enforce things a bit harder.

I don't think the failings have been in the severity of the lockdown. This version of lockdown a week earlier + shielding care homes properly + having the correct PPE stockpiled would've hugely reduced the death count. An authoritarian Spanith/Italian style lockdown carries a big social and...

It's a perfectly reasonable thing to say, policing by consent is something we should be very grateful for. I'm not going to have an argument about it, it's my opinion only, you disagree and that's fine.

Which part?

I don't think we're equipped to do it, culturally or practically. Both those countries have been dictatorships in living memory, the policing style is totally different and comparatively harsh and violent compared to what we experience. I don't think people would stand for it here, quite...

Totally agree, I was talking about this with my partner. I also, with hindsight, think we were a week late with the lockdown, but as a nation of people who don't like being told what to do i'd bet money that a sudden lockdown announcement would've caused uproar. People definitely would've...

These are all fair points and need to be answered in due course. IMHO the closest comparison to us is France who are broadly recording deaths in the same way but have a much stricter lockdown. PPE has undoubtedly been the biggest cock up and been the root cause of many problems like NHS and...

Just for fairness I heard earlier that Belgium are recording anything suspected as Covid related as an official Covid death. They're recording deaths differently which is why their figure is high, they're not a crapper country than everyone else and neither are we, everyone has different...

What are you banging on about you mentalist! :lolol:

Don't ignore it, put it on your phone and help us all solve the problem.

Do you not think it sensible to assume nothing is untoward until it's actually proved? The app has been developed by the NHS, I'm sure I read that it was a template from somewhere else (possibly SK) Spreading this kind of conspiracy rubbish could ruin contact tracing. Everyone needs to have a...

Transvestites?

I agree to a point, but if they're going to get a kicking for the things they get wrong then surely Hancock should be allowed to blow the national trumpet when a British institution does something important like a vaccine. As I said to TB you're compensating for jingoism too far in the opposite...

AstraZeneca the multinational that has it's headquarters in London. In any case they're just the manufacturer. They'll probably pass the knowledge on to local manufactures all over the world. I get that you're embarrassed by any kind of nationalism and feel you have to compensate, but you're...

Probably the daftest thing I've ever read on NSC! Oxford University is part Swedish? ???

No probs, no beef here! I don't think they've been ignored or dismissed, Panorama was scathing, Piers Morgan has been on the attack over PPE, pretty sure the Times and the Mail did also. Ultimately the PPE cock up happened before the pandemic when they didn't stockpile enough. For anything...