[Albion] Gross goal offside?
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Swimboy64
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- Oct 19, 2022
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Seagull58
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The law used to be that level was offside. Before it had to be 3 defenders, not 2. The law was also changed so that an attacker had to be interfering with play to be offside. It has changed several times in favour of the attacking player.
I think we need to restore some balance.
Any part of a player found to be offside to be chopped off with LASERS.
That'll teach players to try and score "goals".
Seagull58
In the Algarve
He's clearly not level with the defender though. His entire head and body is ahead of the defender. Only his trailing leg is level.
Seagull58
In the Algarve
Every player must wear a belly button piercing with a chip in it, or a Prince Albert.
Hotchilidog
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- Jan 24, 2009
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I think the law should be changed sick of these marginal mm decisions stealing goals from the game. I think the attacker should actually be clear of the defender and ball to be offside. The law was put inlace to basically prevent goal-hanging with the speed of the game these days you get these small margin decisions decided by the frame rate of the technology that is used with no margin for error allowed.
The game is about goals and we should be giving the benefit of the doubt to the attacker not the defender.
That said if we have the automated system next season I assume that means we get an instant decisions rather than wait three minutes for someone to suck the life out of a football stadium.
The game is about goals and we should be giving the benefit of the doubt to the attacker not the defender.
That said if we have the automated system next season I assume that means we get an instant decisions rather than wait three minutes for someone to suck the life out of a football stadium.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I've said many a time, it is like VAR wants to disallow goals whereas we, as fans, go because we want to see goals. It is ruining the game for me.
Swimboy64
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- Oct 19, 2022
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When was it that it had to be 3 defenders?
I never knew that one
Swimboy64
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- Oct 19, 2022
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When was it that it had to be 3 defenders?
I never knew that
changed it in 1925 to 2 defenders
Asking for 'daylight' between the players cant work with VAR as it currently operates, as you would need to have a camera exactly level with any incident.
Calling for a 60 second limit won't work for a number of reasons; some situations are very complex, so you'd need a different time limit for every different type of check (which would be contentious). It would open the door to accusations of delaying tactics by the VAR officials.
For me, where football went wrong, especially with offsides, is not having a defined "referees call" criteria. If they used thick lines, and the lines overlap at all, then it should go with the on field decision and, if its wrong, at least its an understable error. If they don't overlap then it's a clear decision with do reason for argument.
By pretending that the technology is infallible and offside is a clear cut decision, when it clearly isn't (for all the reasons already given in this thread), the authorities made a real rod for their own backs, and one they have great difficulty rowing back from. Hopefully the 'semi-automated' system will improve this, and with the added benefit of doing it all much more quickly, we will see.
Calling for a 60 second limit won't work for a number of reasons; some situations are very complex, so you'd need a different time limit for every different type of check (which would be contentious). It would open the door to accusations of delaying tactics by the VAR officials.
For me, where football went wrong, especially with offsides, is not having a defined "referees call" criteria. If they used thick lines, and the lines overlap at all, then it should go with the on field decision and, if its wrong, at least its an understable error. If they don't overlap then it's a clear decision with do reason for argument.
By pretending that the technology is infallible and offside is a clear cut decision, when it clearly isn't (for all the reasons already given in this thread), the authorities made a real rod for their own backs, and one they have great difficulty rowing back from. Hopefully the 'semi-automated' system will improve this, and with the added benefit of doing it all much more quickly, we will see.
I genuinely wonder if EVENTUALLY (maybe more like 20 years from now) there will be a fixed camera running alongside the throw-in line, that is fixed to run alongside the exact location of the ball at all times (up until it goes off at either end, obviously). That or a bullet time type situation with about 20 cameras along the side of the pitch which between them can triangulate exact position of ball.
Would be pretty crazy but seems like something that theoretically could work?
Washie
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With the amount of money running through football, We could easily have technology running the full length of the field to make offside more accurate.
Have you been smoking weed?
I am on VERY little sleep atm.
Perkino
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- Dec 11, 2009
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I agree with this completely, 60 seconds seems perfectly reasonable to alter the on field decision. If it takes any longer than a minute then it's not a clear and obvious error.
I'd like us to replicate Rugby, where the ref asks the TMO for reasons to not award his decision. Very quick and no interference without the ref requesting it
Whatever happens with VAR if you are letting an individual draw lines on a screen and maybe them forgetting to notice a defender behind another defender * its worthless. Scrap it and go back to how it was together with it's flaws.
* Yes I am referring to Estupinan's "goal" at Palace - which still rankles along with us letting Newcastle win the Championship title !!!
* Yes I am referring to Estupinan's "goal" at Palace - which still rankles along with us letting Newcastle win the Championship title !!!
BluesRockDJ
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- Jan 24, 2020
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T'was his knee, keep up !
Seagull58
In the Algarve
Much easier to put a sensor in the ball, as they did in the World Cup.